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FOS » 16 Oct 2020, 1:35 am » wrote: I can tell your ancestors were puritans.

I find it annoying. Religion is for the stupid, really.
Science fiction is as dumb as any religion casting doubt about life in plain sight.
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SpyCar » 16 Oct 2020, 2:32 pm » wrote: Bludog always--AND I MEAN ALWAYS--seeks to stifle liberal dissent.
 
Only for a loud jerk such as yourself.   No one else ever had any trouble.
That's who he is. In his working life Bludog was a union official whose job it was to operate as "the goon" who was sent out to warn any member who stepped out of line with the dictates of his Communications Workers local.
You have no idea.  Like The Orange Powder Clown, you are making stuff up.
Why not re-tell those stories now, Bludog? It's the sort of mob-behavior that you indulged in that damages unions. Shame on you!

You are a thug and have always been a thug.
Ha ha ha ha ha.  You got kicked out of LO, so that makes me a thug.  To what hysterical lengths will you go?
 
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bludog » 16 Oct 2020, 2:41 pm » wrote: Only for a loud jerk such as yourself.   No one else ever had any trouble.

You have no idea.  Like The Orange Powder Clown, you are making stuff up.

Ha ha ha ha ha.  You got kicked out of LO, so that makes me a thug.  To what hysterical lengths will you go?
No one else crossed you. No one else dared to criticize Bernie Sanders.

The "normal" liberal Democrats at the other place understood what your room was about, and they avoided it. It was a hostile zone filled with populist rage and fanaticism. That's reality.

They saw that I was regularly attacked as a "right-winger" for supporting HRC (which I did, proudly).

Yes you are a thug. Just like you crushed the members of your union local who crossed the bosses. You got used to acting like a mob-enforcer and nothing has changed. You have a totalitarian mind. 

And for this liberal, far-left totalitarianism is just as noxious as the far-right variant.

You are  neither a liberal, nor a "progressive." Your populist-socialism extremism is regressive.

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SpyCar » 16 Oct 2020, 2:47 pm » wrote: No one else crossed you. No one else dared to criticize Bernie Sanders.

The "normal" liberal Democrats at the other place understood what you room was about, and they avoid it. It was a hostile zone filled with populist rage and fanaticis. That's reality.

Yes you are a thug. Just like you crushed the members of your union local who crossed the bosses. You got used to acting like a mob-enforcer and nothing has changed. You have a totalitarian mind. 

And for this liberal, far-left totalitarianism is just as noxious as the far-right variant.

You are  neither a liberal, nor a "progressive." Your populist-socialism extremism is regressive.

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You're so full of **** it's oozing out your ears.   You always attack from the Right.  That's the company where you fit right in.   Except, after awhile, they would recognize you for the brutal, thin-skinned, lying goon that you are.

You are a fraud and a phony, through and through.
 
 
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Here is the long (and false) personal attack made by @skews13 and Bludog's response:

Spycar isn't a Liberal, or even close to one. He is very cleverly disguised ( If you want to give him that much credit ) right winger, trying to sell a load of crap, that Liberals who very much supported Bernie Sanders, which John Lewis did, are more closely aligned with conservative views, of which he spent all of that time at dot org selling as centrist Democratic views, which if he could sell successfully, pulls the party, and even Progressive support of Bernie Sanders, to the right, while at the same time cause Bernie supporters to question their support.

Which in turn gives him a victory, whether real or perceived.

Never, never, never, never, ever, ever, ever, underestimate the slimy intentions of a right winger.

You don't debate them, you squash them, and you do so immediately, and with as much prejudice as possible, as to never let one believe for a minute, there can be any reconciliation between the two sides, or that the left would even move toward the center, as a compromising position.

This is why I could never make headway at dot org as a moderator, because I was either forced to play along, that it was just an honest disagreement, or have any decisions I made reversed by admin. Which was why middle3 and I ever discussed starting another site ourselves, after David R. turned down my offer.

I am still ambivalent about this site, based upon certain discussions in threads, and the overall tolerance for right wing trolls. Of which I have zero, and comparing traffic at dot org now, and dot net before coming here, and bringing the traffic that came with me, and Isabel when we pulled the trigger. More than justifies my position, that tolerating right wing trolls, has no upside, or plus side of allowing to continue stinking up any board.

When right wing trolls are allowed to continue, all it tells me is one or more moderators, or admin agree with their positions, or don't care about building the site, or aren't bothered by them, because they are moderators, and can throw their weight around, unlike members who are forced to put up with it from both sides.

Which is why we are here. Stay tuned. We'll see how this goes.

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There is much truth here.  It is another reason Spy Car should stay banned.  ^   ^   ^

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No posting allowed in LO by:---  Conservatives, Communists, Fascists, Antifa or other non-Liberals.

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I'm not a "right-winger." LOL. I started volunteering with the Democratic Party when I was 10 years old, working in RFK's local campaign office. I've never failed to vote and always vote Democratic here in liberal California.

Yet, Bludog suggests that I'm a not a liberal because I criticise the Bernie cult for booing John Lewis or helping elect Donald J Trump?

That's how Rules #1 and #2 are "enforced" in the LO Room.

Total hypocrisy!

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bludog » 16 Oct 2020, 2:53 pm » wrote: You're full of **** it's oozing out your ears.   You always attack from the Right.  That's the company where you fit right in.   Except, after awhile, they would recognize you for the brutal, thin-skinned, lying goon that you are.

You are a fraud and a phony, through and through.
Pure baloney. Anyone who has an affinity to liberalism is "on the right" from your lunatic fringe perspective on the far-left. You a really are a nutter. Your politics are way outside of the mainstream liberalism of the Democratic Party.

The reverse is true of me. I'm a solid liberal and a life-long Democratic loyalist. 

Yet you brazenly claim *I'm* a "liar and a fraud"? LOL. So much for "self-awareness." Mein Gott!

You are just like the Trumpist populists on the far-right who you helped put in power in fundamental ways.

Populism is a disease and you are a vector of that disease.

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SpyCar » 16 Oct 2020, 12:26 pm » wrote: LOL. All the liberals in the room protested against your unfairness. Why do you brazenly lie?

@JeanMoulin  @Olivaw  We need you to speak up honestly against Bludog's lies.

It is YOUR RULING. But you are a tyrant who has zero respect for the truth or for justice. You are one more little hitler. You are a prime example of why populist-socialists are a danger to liberalism and to liberal democracy.

You abuse your "power" and always have. No dissent from your cult's "party line" has ever been acceptable to you. You are a rank totalitarian and always have been.

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I opposed @bludog ’s ruling, Bill. There was no rule violation. Most liberals, including skews and Phelix supported it based n your longstanding animosity towards RR. My dissenting  opinion was predicated on the principle that a “potential” violation is not a violation. 

ironically, I am permanently banned from .org, even though I violated no rule. 

skews was permanently banned from this site, even though he violated no rule. 

duck615 is banned from neither. Go figure.

These sites are volunteer run. There is no commitment to anything resembling the “rule of law”. Decisions are made quickly and justified retroactively.  We can offer a dissenting opinion but more often than not challenged moderators become defensive. 
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SpyCar » 16 Oct 2020, 3:03 pm » wrote: Pure baloney. Anyone who has an affinity to liberalism is "on the right" from your lunatic fringe perspective on the far-left. You a really are a nutter. Your politics are way outside of the mainstream liberalism of the Democratic Party.

The reverse is true of me. I'm a solid liberal and a life-long Democratic loyalist. 

Yet you brazenly claim *I'm* a "liar and a fraud"? LOL. So much for "self-awareness." Mein Gott!

You are just like the Trumpist populists on the far-right who you helped put in power in fundamental ways.

Populism is a disease and you are a vector of that disease.

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@bludog  is a liberal from the progressive wing. He supported Lizzie Warren but switched to Bernie when Warren struggled. 

Bill, you are a liberal from the centrist wing. You supported Joe and stuck with him. 

I am a center-left liberal. I supported Joe but flirted with Liz Warren based on her extraordinary intelligence. 

We all support the Democrats in 2020. We are all liberals. We want progress but disagree about the process and pace. Animosity between us harms our cause and helps the Trump/McConnell agenda. 

Sounds trite but ... “can’t we all just get along“.
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Olivaw » 16 Oct 2020, 5:32 pm » wrote: I opposed @bludog ’s ruling, Bill. There was no rule violation. Most liberals, including skews and Phelix supported it based n your longstanding animosity towards RR. My dissenting  opinion was predicated on the principle that a “potential” violation is not a violation. 

ironically, I am permanently banned from .org, even though I violated no rule. 

skews was permanently banned from this site, even though he violated no rule. 

duck615 is banned from neither. Go figure.

These sites are volunteer run. There is no commitment to anything resembling the “rule of law”. Decisions are made quickly and justified retroactively.  We can offer a dissenting opinion but more often than not challenged moderators become defensive.
I think everyone who was banned over there has been unbanned. If you have not been unbanned (and give a damn) let me know and I work to alert those in authority. You definitely did not violate any rules. Your banning was entirely unjustified. 100%.

Same with @skews13  . Ironically, I nominated Skews to be one of the "liberal mods" during the short-lived "Liberal Council" (that proved to the a set-up)

Skews seems to have zero idea who I am. Which seems odd. I'm obviously not a right-winger, despite Bludog's lies to the contrary.

I can't deny my strong antipathy for RollingRock, who has lied about me, actually "stalked me," tried to doxx me, and who refuses to own up to his movement's role in our current fiasco and his personal role. Irks me.

Thank you for posting here. A "potential violation" of the rules certainly isn't a violation of the rules. We've had our moments of disagreement, but thank you for your honesty here. It is deeply appreciated!

Now let's go win this thing!!!

Trump should never have become president. Let's kick his *** out of office. Feeling very hopeful.

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Olivaw » 16 Oct 2020, 5:43 pm » wrote: @bludog  is a liberal from the progressive wing. He supported Lizzie Warren but switched to Bernie when Warren struggled. 

Bill, you are a liberal from the centrist wing. You supported Joe and stuck with him. 

I am a center-left liberal. I supported Joe but flirted with Liz Warren based on her extraordinary intelligence. 

We all support the Democrats in 2020. We are all liberals. We want progress but disagree about the process and pace. Animosity between us harms our cause and helps the Trump/McConnell agenda. 

Sounds trite but ... “can’t we all just get along“.
Actually...and not to qubble..but I'm not a liberal from the "centrist wing."

I'm a liberal from the "liberal wing." I'm not a "centrist" now and I've never been a centrist.

I did support Joe Biden from the outset, as it was clear to me that he had the best possibility of beating Donald J Trump and I'm very pleased that he's our nominee. We seem like we are on a path to victory. I'm more confident with Biden heading the ticket than if we were running any other Democrat in the race (despite my admiration for all the other Democrats who ran).

We don't agree that "we are all liberals" here. Sorry. I except that you are a liberal, without question.

But those who worked to undermine our party and did so without apology due to their far-left ideologies, don't qualify as "liberals" in my book. I realize we have a point of disagreement on the matter. No need to extend it. I just don't agree with the premise.

I'm for "truth and reconciliation," but that's a two part proposition. Sweeping the truth under the rug because it is inconvenient isn't a legitimate path forward in my estimation. One can't forgive someone who doesn't express contrition. Do you know what I mean?

I'm glad those who sabotaged the election in 2016 appear to have made a strategically different choice this time. Is there any degree of "trust" here? Hell to the no on that one. Not a bit.

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SpyCar » 16 Oct 2020, 5:45 pm » wrote: I think everyone who was banned over there has been unbanned. If you have not been unbanned (and give a damn) let me know and I work to alert those in authority. You definitely did not violate any rules. Your banning was entirely unjustified. 100%.
 
Thanks, I’d heard that but when I tested i was presented with a big red banner forcing me to acknowledge a warning from that dolt loosehammer. It’s consistent with an email I received months ago that requires me to acknowledge an indefinite ban so I may still be on the outs. 
Same with @skews13  . Ironically, I nominated Skews to be one of the "liberal mods" during the short-lived "Liberal Council" (that proved to the a set-up)

Skews seems to have zero idea who I am. Which seems odd. I'm obviously not a right-winger, despite Bludog's lies to the contrary.
Skews was banned from this site (.NET). They allowed PMs from the other site to remain here and skews took exception. He questioned the boys in their own playground so they permanently banned him. 

They imposed moderation on Rippy because they were afraid he was a spy for .ORG. Right wingers see conspiracies under every rock.   

I was surprised that Skews said you were a Republican. I don’t know him well but he generally seems reserved and thoughtful. That seemed uncharacteristically aggressive. Election season, perhaps? 
I'm a liberal from the "liberal wing." I'm not a "centrist" now and I've never been a centrist.
My mistake. 
Now let's go win this thing!!!

Trump should never have become president. Let's kick his *** out of office. Feeling very hopeful.

Best,

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Damned right we are going to win this thing. President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and a Democratically controlled senate will set things right. 
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bludog » 16 Oct 2020, 2:41 pm » wrote: Only for a loud jerk such as yourself.   No one else ever had any trouble.

You have no idea.  Like The Orange Powder Clown, you are making stuff up.

Ha ha ha ha ha.  You got kicked out of LO, so that makes me a thug.  To what hysterical lengths will you go?
The cost of being a mod and making decisions is being second guessed - and of course, demonized, scandalized, baptized and deep fried.
 
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Sport Car » 16 Oct 2020, 2:47 pm » wrote: No one else crossed you. No one else dared to criticize Bernie Sanders.

The "normal" liberal Democrats at the other place understood what your room was about, and they avoided it. It was a hostile zone filled with populist rage and fanaticism. That's reality.

They saw that I was regularly attacked as a "right-winger" for supporting HRC (which I did, proudly).

Yes you are a thug. Just like you crushed the members of your union local who crossed the bosses. You got used to acting like a mob-enforcer and nothing has changed. You have a totalitarian mind. 

And for this liberal, far-left totalitarianism is just as noxious as the far-right variant.

You are  neither a liberal, nor a "progressive." Your populist-socialism extremism is regressive.

Bill

Why did you play coy about modding that room, now that bludog is here? I guess those who can, do - and those who cannot, cry.

The room is open, fruit loop. Make a play. Cowgirl up, sport car.
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Olivaw » 16 Oct 2020, 7:32 pm » wrote: Thanks, I’d heard that but when I tested i was presented with a big red banner forcing me to acknowledge a warning from that dolt loosehammer. It’s consistent with an email I received months ago that requires me to acknowledge an indefinite ban so I may still be on the outs. 

Skews was banned from this site (.NET). They allowed PMs from the other site to remain here and skews took exception. He questioned the boys in their own playground so they permanently banned him. 

They imposed moderation on Rippy because they were afraid he was a spy for .ORG. Right wingers see conspiracies under every rock.   

I was surprised that Skews said you were a Republican. I don’t know him well but he generally seems reserved and thoughtful. That seemed uncharacteristically aggressive. Election season, perhaps?
No, just catty left wing dick suckers hustling for victim status and looking for someone to point fingers at - like you girls are doing now.
Olivaw » 16 Oct 2020, 7:32 pm » wrote: My mistake. 

Damned right we are going to win this thing. President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and a Democratically controlled senate will set things right.
 
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SportCar » 16 Oct 2020, 6:42 pm » wrote: Actually...and not to qubble..but I'm not a liberal from the "centrist wing."

I'm a liberal from the "liberal wing." I'm not a "centrist" now and I've never been a centrist.
Sorry, dick sucker, the clintons are not liberals.

You need a mastectomy.
 
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Olivaw » 16 Oct 2020, 7:32 pm » wrote: Thanks, I’d heard that but when I tested i was presented with a big red banner forcing me to acknowledge a warning from that dolt loosehammer. It’s consistent with an email I received months ago that requires me to acknowledge an indefinite ban so I may still be on the outs. 

Skews was banned from this site (.NET). They allowed PMs from the other site to remain here and skews took exception. He questioned the boys in their own playground so they permanently banned him. 

They imposed moderation on Rippy because they were afraid he was a spy for .ORG. Right wingers see conspiracies under every rock.   

I was surprised that Skews said you were a Republican. I don’t know him well but he generally seems reserved and thoughtful. That seemed uncharacteristically aggressive. Election season, perhaps? 

My mistake. 

Damned right we are going to win this thing. President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and a Democratically controlled senate will set things right.
Let me know if you'd like me to alert anyone over there that you are still banned. 

I didn't realize Skews was banned from this copy-cat website. My mistake. I hear the owner is a real *******.

I was surprised--to say the least--to read Skews invectives about me. Not sure if Skews even know who I am? I never had a beef with him.

And no worries about (wrongly) pegging me as a "centrist." Not the case. I'm a devoted liberal. Which makes me no fan of totalitarians on the right or the left. Being an anti-communist/anti-fascist is consistent with my strong liberalism.

I do understand how my position might be mistaken for centerism. Between extremist nutters on the extremes, the center isn't such a bad place to be. 

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SportCar » 16 Oct 2020, 8:02 pm » wrote: Let me know if you'd like be to alert anyone over there that you are still banned. 

I didn't realize Skews was banned from this copy-cat website. My mistake. I hear the owner is a real *******.

I was surprised to say the least to read Skews invectives about me. Not sure if Skews even know who I am? i never had a beef with him.

And no worries about (wrongly) pegging me as a "centrist." Not the case. I'm a devoted liberal. Which makes me no fan of totalitarian on the right or the left. Being an anti-communist/anti-fascist is consistent with my strong liberalism.

I do understand how my position might be mistaken for centerism. Between extremist nutters on the extremes, the center isn't such a bad place to be. 

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Yes, you "centrist" queers just very reasonably and casually support every foreign war that wall street requires of you in order to hold power.

Not a bad place to be, so long as you have no human dignity at all.
 
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Cannonpointer » 16 Oct 2020, 7:42 pm » wrote: No, just catty left wing dick suckers hustling for victim status and looking for someone to point fingers at - like you girls are doing now.


 
You’re not a bright man,  CowardPunter. Victimhood requires a transgression of significance. Banning from here ain’t significant, son, even unjustified banning.

Now piss off. Adults are conversing. 
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SpyCar » 16 Oct 2020, 8:02 pm » wrote: <snip>

extremist nutters

<snip>

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Thought so.

All humor aside.

Mr. Dopey Demented Psycho Stupid Babbling Lunatic Meth-head Clueless Moonbat Wackjob, also known as RichClem, and you, Bill, share a disturbing failing of character that removes you both from the room when adults are talking.

As RichClem is to Clinton and Misty, so Spycar is to Sanders and bludog & RollingRock.

Now a question you won't answer, among the many you've ducked in this thread.

What are you actually doing to help Democrats get elected this cycle? Besides sitting on your *** typing vicious vitriol at people who need to vote for Biden and resting your voir dire as a Democrat on something you did at 10 years old in 1968. WTF have you actually DONE in the last week?

Been good talking to you, Bill. I look forward to seeing you post the same tired boring made up crap at BD & RR in 2024.

 
 
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Thank you for that concession.

You may resume your finger pointing, victim posturing and catty gossip.
 
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